"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
12/18/2016 at 10:23 • Filed to: None
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"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
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These tires aren’t very good, but it was OK. Getting started was exciting, but once rolling I was fine. Stepped out the backend on purpose a few times and it felt very controllable.
Nibby
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 10:31 |
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PatBateman
> Nibby
12/18/2016 at 10:35 |
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 10:35 |
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Wouldn’t the traction control help keep you out of trouble?
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Jayhawk Jake
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2016 at 10:39 |
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It helps a bit, and the car has a snow mode that limits power, but mediocre tires are still mediocre tires. It’s certainly manageable and probably fine for the limited snow we normally get, but if it’s going to be a snowy/icy winter some snow tires wouldn’t hurt
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 10:45 |
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I’m assuming that on a dry pavement, or even in rain, your tires are far from mediocre. In Pennsylvania, where I spent Summers as a child, folks didn’t have snow
tires
, they kept snow
cars
.
Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 11:04 |
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Stopping always worries me more than going, once you’re rolling it’s all good.
Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 11:15 |
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Summers or no-seasons?
Do your temperatures stay under 45 for extended periods? Even if snow and ice aren’t that regular, something like a set of “all weather” tires would be a good compromise for the winter months. People that live in southern Canada tend to run those year-round (they’re a winter/snow tire with long tread life and low rolling resistance that won’t wear excessively above ~50 degrees). Where I live, they seem like the best winter choice since our winters are very inconsistent...
When I bought my car, I bought a full mounted set of winters for it, then the winter of 2015-2016 wasn’t cold enough for more than a day or two while I was here to swap them on. This year I had to get them swapped because it just isn’t warming up. In the future, it’s those “all weather” tires for me.
jimz
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 11:16 |
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are they still putting P Zero Neros on them from the factory?
Chasaboo
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2016 at 11:26 |
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I didn’t know about All Weather tires before, but I’m a believer now. Got some for a Forester, and wow the difference was amazing in the snow from All Season tires. Curious to see how they wear in the summertime.
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> Chasaboo
12/18/2016 at 11:45 |
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The ones I’m looking at for my winter season tires are Nokian WS R3s, which have a 55k mile tread life warranty. At that rate, I’ll need to have their TPMS batteries replaced long before they’re running low on tread.
Mind you, I probably have at least 2 seasons left on my current winter tires before they should need replacement.
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Jayhawk Jake
> jimz
12/18/2016 at 12:03 |
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On performance pack cars yes. Mine isn’t a PP, so it has Goodyear Eagle F1
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Jayhawk Jake
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2016 at 12:03 |
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Oh no, they’re pretty mediocre all the time.
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Jayhawk Jake
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2016 at 12:06 |
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Winter is pretty cold here. I’m on no seasons, but I’ll have to look into all weather tires.
I have a set of summers that I use for autocross, and as they wear down I tend to run my all seasons in between events. I wanted to avoid winter tires because then I pretty much need 3 sets of wheels: winter, all seasons, autocross. If an all weather tire can cover me for winter and off events in the summer that’d be perfect
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2016 at 12:23 |
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WRG3... gah, can’t keep track of the models.
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 13:06 |
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The hard part about them is finding them - only a handful of companies make them and few vendors categorize them well.
My bird IS the word
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 13:17 |
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According to the people on the fp these cars have some sort of voodoo magic that keeps the backs from spinning, and I’m an idiot for wanting awd.
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> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2016 at 13:35 |
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The only one I know of is Nokian WR G3, haven’t seen any other available.
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Jayhawk Jake
> My bird IS the word
12/18/2016 at 14:09 |
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Yeah, it’s called your right foot. AWD doesn’t seem necessary unless it snows A LOT, and even then I suspect you’d be fine in RWD with good snow tires
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My bird IS the word
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 14:36 |
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After my first accident , I think I’ll just pay the 2 grand premium for a car that doesn’t try and kill me at 6am.
Stephenson Valve Gear
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 14:52 |
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Fun, isn’t it? Did you turn the Traction Control and AdvanceTrac off to get the full experience? At least find an empty parking lot and try it out...
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Jayhawk Jake
> Stephenson Valve Gear
12/18/2016 at 14:59 |
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Nah, first night out and our first snow in a long time so I didn’t want to play with fire. I thought about going to a parking lot but my girlfriend and I were at a dinner until about midnight so I decided to go home. I’ll play more eventually.
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
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12/18/2016 at 19:10 |
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Some more common brands took a cue from them and started making them, but I can’t find any available in the US.
The current list that I know of is:
- Nokian WR series
- Nordman WR series (Nokian brand)
- Toyo Celsius
I was sure someone else started making similar tires, but I can’t find them. I wish there was a standard term for the 3-peak snowflake symbol.
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> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2016 at 21:54 |
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Officially it’s called the “Alpine” Symbol.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-198/FullText.html
Definition of winter tire
(4) For the purposes of TSD 139, winter tire means a tire that
(a) when tested using the snow traction test described in ASTM F 1805 - 06, Standard Test Method for Single Wheel Driving Traction in a Straight Line on Snow- and Ice-Covered Surfaces , with medium pack snow and a test load equal to 74% of the test inflation rated load described in that test method, attains a traction index equal to or greater than 110 compared to a standard reference test tire that meets the requirements of ASTM E 1136 - 10, Standard Specification for P195/75R14 Radial Standard Reference Test Tire ; and
(b) is marked on at least one sidewall with the Alpine Symbol specified in S5.5(i) of TSD 139.
The Tire and Rubber Association of Canada publishes a list of winter tires, but doesn’t seem to include all-weathers, with a footnote saying it’s not a complete list. I don’t know why they don’t have another list for those.
http://www.rubberassociation.ca/wintertirevideos/whatyoushouldknow.html
Wagon Guy drives a Boostang
> Jayhawk Jake
12/18/2016 at 22:01 |
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I’m just glad the snow hasn’t made it as far south as Texas. I’m still running the summer Pirelli P Zeros since we seldom get this cold...
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
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12/19/2016 at 15:35 |
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But “Alpine” isn’t particularly useful when searching for tires. They’ve even used it for marketing and it isn’t even mentioned consistently. People here just sort “snow”, “no season”, “summer”, and stuff that isn’t for road use. It’s easier to find a racing slick than an all weather tire. :-(